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[Hyuga]

Ramsus, on 29 February 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

Well Fei and Elly live on forever to. Well they ger reborn anyway. I would like for the events to take place directly after Xenogears as well. My opinion anyway.

I recall Karen (Miang) referring to the current Contact (Fei) as "the final one!"
Mayhaps I read that too literally. Even so, with the fall of the entire Deus system, I would imagine the cycle is broken.

Blue Tempest, on 29 February 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

True, But then again maybe its not about changing themselves but changing something else. It doesn't nessisarily have to be about a mistake or something he did. There's a difference to want to change something for yourself and wanting to change for the benefit of others. Maybe not so much what happens but the actual choices made. Its one thing to lament about something you had no control over, but it honestly sounds worse regretting making the wrong choice.

*Going to avoid spoilers here as much as possible*
Going back to the Chrono series, (if you've played them) the end result of Trigger is fighting a certain boss.
However, when you play Cross, you learn that those very events of "righting wrongs" led/contributed to an all new series of phenomena.
Altering time, disrupting what's "supposed" to happen.

I can't say I've never wanted to...but it's the past that defines the present. And what can shape the future.
Even if you could do time travel, it would, again, open up an infinite number of scenarios and whatnot.
However, the decision upon the questions offered rests with the forum as a whole.

[Ramsus]

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I recall Karen (Miang) referring to the current Contact (Fei) as "the final one!"

Could mean the final one before resurrection? the final one before they ascend to a higher existence? I can hardly say with the quote taken out of context. Admittedly I am not an expert.

[RadicalDreamer]

Ramsus, on 29 February 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

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I recall Karen (Miang) referring to the current Contact (Fei) as "the final one!"

Could mean the final one before resurrection? the final one before they ascend to a higher existence? I can hardly say with the quote taken out of context. Admittedly I am not an expert.

I guess Miang/Karen was talking about the final one BEFORE Deus' resurrection, indeed. However, at the end of the game, Fei broke the cycle of Uroboros... and they've lost the Zohar's power source (which means they can't use the Gears, Omnigears and Yggdrasil anymore... not if they don't find another power source at least *and this one will be limited I guess... which makes me think that the game didn't make sense on this part... why did the Gears needed fuel if the Zohar was an UNLIMITED power source for them ? Gears... those machines never make sense*).

Now, I don't really know if Fei and Elly lost their abilities to reincarnate (by the way, I always thought the entire humankind was reincarnating... but only Fei and Elly could remember and look somewhat like their past selves thanks to the WE) and remember their past selves because they got rid of Miang and freed the WE. The one thing for sure is that Fei still could pilot Xenogears at the very end.
Personally, I'd like to think Fei and Elly can still find each other in another life because they love each other and their past lives sucked for them... but on another hand, Elly was created to protect the Contact... who would ultimately free the WE. So now that they're goal-less, I just wonder if their role as Contact and Antitype is over.
Well, ANYWAY... no matter what'll happen to them, I don't think they would be the main characters of a sequel. I heard long ago that the Fatimas would likely be the main characters (maybe Soraya Saga said something like this... she also drew a picture of a 21 years old Margie if I remember well... but what Soraya Saga does or says isn't necessarry canon... she did yaoi Xeno comics after all... and she did say that her comic for FF6 was not to be taken as canon).

[Blue Tempest]

Ramsus, on 29 February 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

*Going to avoid spoilers here as much as possible*
Going back to the Chrono series, (if you've played them) the end result of Trigger is fighting a certain boss.
However, when you play Cross, you learn that those very events of "righting wrongs" led/contributed to an all new series of phenomena.
Altering time, disrupting what's "supposed" to happen.

True, but it's not like the purpose of the game was to undo what they did in Trigger. It came offf more like... clean up of the space-time contiuum so that what they did would stay in effect.

Edited by Blue Tempest, 29 February 2012 - 10:22 AM.

[Hyuga]

Either way, you potentially open up too many possibilities.
Someone could alter the past by...say...saving King Edbart. Then Shakhan never comes to power.
Bart and his crew never "form", take the Yggdrasil, and become pirates.
Margie's family wouldn't be compromised. Nisan wouldn't be dragged into the Aveh/Kislev war.
Or even....the Aveh/Kislev war wouldn't continue without Shakhan's and his Ethos connections pushing for combat data.
The Ignas gate and Ft. Jasper are never activated. Andvari is never found. Etc.

And of course, Bart never saves Fei and Citan from that transport ship. (Given that still even happened.)

Of course, it COULD all still happen. (For different reasons, of course.)

And that is why I'm leaving all this to the forum members. Too many variables for me to jump around.

[Blue Tempest]

Well like I said, I was only speaking of time traveling one person to a point right after the game ended. So everything that happened during the game would still be in effect.

[Adrak]

http://xenoverse.xen...part3/anger.htm
This article greatly explains a lot of the plans for Episode VI. The author also says that he believes Emeralda should get more character development too. If we will do this role play, it would probably be a good idea to stick to the original base of the story, the collapse of the dimensional universe, and should have the main theme be anger. Also, the quote near the top of the page about Annonelbe states the basic premise for what the plan was going to be. Anyways, I think this would be a lot of fun.

[Xenos]

Well so far as I can observe, many like the idea of Emeralda as the main character, (and we can also include Blue Tempest's character there somewhere...) We also like the story to begin right where the game left off.

So, now I'd like to know who is the enemy is going to be.

[Blue Tempest]

I support Emeralda AS a Main Character. Doesnt mean we shouldnt make the other characters not as important.

Would it be possible for the Main Villain not to be the head of some Company or already powerful man in government like in Gears/Saga? It might come off as a little predictable.

[Hyuga]

Blue Tempest, on 07 March 2012 - 04:19 AM, said:

I support Emeralda AS a Main Character. Doesnt mean we shouldnt make the other characters not as important.

Would it be possible for the Main Villain not to be the head of some Company or already powerful man in government like in Gears/Saga? It might come off as a little predictable.

As long as Chu-Chu gets an honorable mention.
Yes, Emeralda makes he most sense if we're going to have one of the original party strike out on their own.
Still, it would make just as much sense for her to go to Lahan or elsewhere with her parents.

I also agree that an unpredictable main villain would be a fun twist.

[Blue Tempest]

This is just my idea, but what if the villain is some sort of Evil higher dimension creature. Well... evil by our standards cause of course, such creatures would think differently.

But I mean like somethign similar to an Elder God or Cthulu-horror. Not so much in actual form but in comprehension. You know how in Earthbound where in the end you're not so much fighting Giygas but that he had turned into the very concept of pure evil and because of which, "You cannot grasp the true form of..." Basically a bad guy that seemingly, by all intents and purposes, it sounds impossible to even fight!

[Adrak]

Blue Tempest, on 07 March 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

This is just my idea, but what if the villain is some sort of Evil higher dimension creature. Well... evil by our standards cause of course, such creatures would think differently.

But I mean like somethign similar to an Elder God or Cthulu-horror. Not so much in actual form but in comprehension. You know how in Earthbound where in the end you're not so much fighting Giygas but that he had turned into the very concept of pure evil and because of which, "You cannot grasp the true form of..." Basically a bad guy that seemingly, by all intents and purposes, it sounds impossible to even fight!

Maybe the final battle could be against U-DO/the Wave Existence. It follows basically what you were saying, and would make for a pretty cool battle. This battle was also foreshadowed in Xenosaga Episode I with KOS-MOS fighting U-DO. Now I know Xenosaga and Xenogears aren't related, but they still have much of the same basic universe, just different spins on the story.

Edited by Adrak, 07 March 2012 - 06:35 PM.

[Xenos]

What is this entity's reason to be the enemy? Wanting to suck the life of the planet away? Perhaps after the catastrophe with Deus, the entity finds the humans unworthy of living, and must purge/cleanse/destroy the entire race. Or it could be someone so angry at life, god, and everything, because of the horrible circumstances that happened towards the end of Xenogears, that he/she attempts to gain power of a god and becomes that pure concept of evil.

[Blue Tempest]

Adrak, on 07 March 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Maybe the final battle could be against U-DO/the Wave Existence. It follows basically what you were saying, and would make for a pretty cool battle. This battle was also foreshadowed in Xenosaga Episode I with KOS-MOS fighting U-DO. Now I know Xenosaga and Xenogears aren't related, but they still have much of the same basic universe, just different spins on the story.

I think maybe it could be a being that was also from the higher dimention, maybe an off shoot or remnant of the WE. When the WE finally returned after being trapped for over ten thousand years, it feels revenge should be taken on the humans who so trapped his dear companion. Or possibly thi is offered as proof to him that creating the waves that created Humanity in the first place was a mistake and they should rectify their mistake.

@Xenos Again, I still dont beleive this should be limited to just the Xenogears planet cause Im still very curious as to what happened to the rest of Humanity in the universe.

[Adrak]

Blue Tempest, on 07 March 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

I think maybe it could be a being that was also from the higher dimention, maybe an off shoot or remnant of the WE. When the WE finally returned after being trapped for over ten thousand years, it feels revenge should be taken on the humans who so trapped his dear companion. Or possibly thi is offered as proof to him that creating the waves that created Humanity in the first place was a mistake and they should rectify their mistake.

I personally like your second suggestion. The story could be about the material world finally returning to the higher domain, like Gnostic belief that eventually humans will leave behind the material world in favor of the spiritual world. The story could also include thing like Krelian's return from the higher domain, as I'd love to see more of Krelian.

Edited by Adrak, 07 March 2012 - 08:00 PM.